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Can't find if it's already been discussed in the talk page before, but it seems there are competing claims for the "first" museum devoted to modern art in the United States. The Phillips Collection explicitly calls itself "America's first modern art museum," and the article for the Phillips includes that claim. This article for MoMA claims in the lede that MoMA was the first. The Phillips opened first, but they have some very small holdings of pre-modern art (a few El Grecos, mainly) despite being a modern & contemporary museum. Anyone have any insight as to which claim should be preserved on here? 19h00s (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi all. I raised this previously on this talk page in regards to The Phillips Collection, but I wanted to circle back now as someone made a change. I just manually re-added the claim that MoMA was the first museum in the U.S. devoted exclusively to modern art, which @Garrrick's edit removed. Garrrick pointed to the Société Anonyme as an example of a modern art museum that was founded before MoMA. I really think this deserves discussion before a change is made, as there are a range of conflicting claims by different institutions on this point.
Firstly, I'm really not sure the Société Anonyme can be categorized as a museum in the traditional sense. They were an itinerant exhibition-producing organization that hosted occasional exhibitions in their headquarters and sponsored/organized modern art exhibitions at a range of other museums and galleries in New York. It's not clear to me that the Société was actually a museum, even if they added "the museum of modern art" as a subtitle to their name.
Second, several institutions make the claim that they were the first modern art museum in the U.S., MoMA most prominently. In addition, The Phillips Collection in Washington, D.C., explicitly calls itself "America's first modern art museum".
I think there needs to be more discussion and references to sources before changes can be made to this foundational claim. Thoughts? 19h00s (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello 19h00s. Thank you for your fine mapping out of this dilemma. I'm happy to have a discussion. My view is this, and I believe it's in line with principles of how Wikipedia should work: Since the claim is disputed, which you yourself point out that it is, it shouldn't expressed in the article as an undisputed fact, which it currently is. Garrrick (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, it should probably be struck from this article. I think The Phillips claim should also be struck from that article. I wish there were easily accessible sourcing on these claims - I'm sure one of them is right, it's just hard to find independent authoritative sourcing. 19h00s (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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