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Croatia was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
October 28, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed
March 22, 2021	Peer review	Reviewed
January 27, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on October 8, 2004, June 25, 2005, June 25, 2006, October 8, 2007, October 8, 2008, October 8, 2009, October 8, 2010, October 8, 2011, October 8, 2012, October 8, 2013, October 8, 2014, and August 5, 2019.
Current status: Delisted good article

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This article was copy edited by Folklore1, a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, on October 25, 2011.Guild of Copy EditorsWikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsTemplate:WikiProject Guild of Copy EditorsGuild of Copy Editors

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Section sizes

Section size for Croatia (41 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	14,299	14,299
Etymology	3,416	3,416
History	43	66,874
Prehistory and antiquity	5,875	5,875
Middle Ages	10,141	10,141
Union with Hungary and Austria	9,962	9,962
The World Wars and Yugoslavia	19,364	19,364
Independence	21,489	21,489
Geography	4,711	14,171
Climate	2,697	2,697
Biodiversity	6,763	6,763
Governance	2,656	25,677
Law and judicial system	4,574	4,574
Foreign relations	4,099	4,099
Croatian diaspora	2,278	2,278
Military	6,993	6,993
Administrative divisions	5,077	5,077
Economy	5,636	23,517
Tourism	6,153	6,153
Infrastructure	24	11,728
Transport	7,197	7,197
Ports	2,070	2,070
Energy	2,437	2,437
Demographics	9,147	28,028
Religion	2,406	2,406
Languages	4,977	4,977
Education	7,453	7,453
Healthcare	4,045	4,045
Language	3,734	3,734
Culture	5,382	37,723
Arts, literature, and music	8,578	8,578
Media	8,539	8,539
Film Industry	7,016	7,016
Cuisine	2,051	2,051
Sports	6,157	6,157
Technology	895	895
See also	117	117
Explanatory notes	48	48
Citations	34	34
General and cited references	8,620	8,620
External links	1,080	1,080
Total	228,233	228,233

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Croatia

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Result: Delist as doesn't meet GA criteria 2 or 3 (insufficient citations and lack of recent updates). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article has "This section needs to be updated" tags in five sections: Economy, Transport, Demographics, Education, Sports, and As of 2019, the Croatian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and European Integration employed 1,381[needs update]. It also has "needs additional citations for verification" tag for Sports, and a 'citation needed' in Healthcare section. 'clarification needed' is in Independent Croatia (1991–present) section. With 6 big orange templates article needs work to remain a GA. Artem.G (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly longer than preferable, and with some oversubsectioning. However, overall not a bad article as far as country articles go, hopefully this can be fixed. CMD (talk) 07:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delist: sections need to be updated, while citations are needed in selected places. As CMD noted, should be fairly easy to get back to GA standard, should someone wish to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sport section split tag

@Moxy, what is the purpose of the tag to split the sports section to the new article Sports in Croatia? The proposed target article already exists and no explanation has been added to the talk page whatsoever.

There appears to had been a commented out "see Canada#Sports for featured article example" added to the article code - which is quite uninformative. Since the article code is not a good place for talk, I have removed that comment since.-- Tomobe03 (talk) 07:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See the sport section at any GA of FA article at WP:COUNTRYSIZE - note the size.and layout. Moxy🍁 14:51, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just so others do not have to read WP:COUNTRYSIZE and explore article stats: I gather from the non-answer that you find 11k words excessive compared to 8-10k range and thought to urge others to trim the article by 10%-ish by adding a tag suggesting creation of an already existing article on Sports in Croatia. Tomobe03 (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Too much detail - sub sections on random sports? - a section should be written in summary style, containing just the important facts Canada#Sports - Japan#Sports. Moxy🍁 17:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What important facts are missing specifically? What unimportant facts are there? Have you tried to establish consensus by, for example, raising the issue at the talk page? ...or editing? Pointing out that featured class articles are better than B class articles is pointing out the obvious, and hardly helpful. If the article were an FA candidate undergoing a review, there would be someone to address or ignore them. If you think slapping a notice and doing nothing to at least start discussion or better yet improve the article helps in any way you are wrong. It is as useless as tagging all Wikipedia articles except featured ones as needing expansion or summarizing.

Your complaints that the article is 10% too big compared to the COUNTRYSIZE guideline (not a policy) and that there are subsections, pointing to TOOMUCHDETAIL essay (also not a policy), and offering an off-the cuff remark that what's included is unimportant are entirely unrelated to the notice requesting creation of an already existing article. - posting random notices? Tomobe03 (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We'll try to fix it myself in the next few days. Moxy🍁 05:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images

I've gone ahead for the fourth time and remove some images that are causing sandwiching and other concerns as outlined at Wikipedia:Image dos and don'ts. Moxy🍁 22:52, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]